Curse

siadina · Mar 28, 2011, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Answer: Nope

Reason - Ive played this game for almost 6 years. In all that time I have never paid for skill balances, AI tweaks, New items (fireworks, chocolate bunnies, Grog, red rock candies, exct), new quests...the list goes on and on.

I purchase the items from the cash shop because I likes em. It also gives me the chance to support a game, that with any other business model, would have already folded the servers.
So get over your butthurt that my heroes are prettier than yours *grin* and go play.

novawhiz · Mar 28, 2011, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by siadina

In all that time I have never paid for skill balances, AI tweaks, New items ,

did you steal Guild Wars? cause most people payed 30-40$ per campaign for those things.

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Originally Posted by siadina

So get over your butthurt that my heroes are prettier than yours *grin* and go play.

Its not that they are prettier, its that you can run whatever team setups you want with MH while the rest are limited with just heroes.

Dusk_ · Mar 28, 2011, 03:54 AM // 03:54

ANet has not changed their policy until you are required to pay money to play the game (outside of the basic campaigns).

This isn't purely limited to monthly fees. This includes money for required power levels, higher tier gear than what you can earn for free, or just general benefits which make it hard to enjoy the game without paying for it.

I can understand the uproar about Mercenaries. However, the issue isn't about "imbalance", it's about wanting something but not getting it, to be blunt. Mercenaries aren't some massively overpowering advantage that you must pay for. They are purely cosmetic. There are builds you want to run, and you require mercenaries to run them. That's not a required payment, that's purely optional. No different than "I want one character of each class" and "I want to keep all these items, but don't have the storage space".

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Originally Posted by novawhiz

Its not that they are prettier, its that you can run whatever team setups you want with MH while the rest are limited with just heroes.

And I have a character of each class, while you are limited to just 8 classes.

Of course, character slots are the only thing that I've purchased, outside of the 4 campaigns, because I haven't needed anything else.

So really, it comes down to you wanting to run specific team setups, not you needing or requiring them for anything.

Essence Snow · Mar 28, 2011, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by Dusk_

ANet has not changed their policy until you are required to pay money to play the game (outside of the basic campaigns).

This isn't purely limited to monthly fees. This includes money for required power levels, higher tier gear than what you can earn for free, or just general benefits which make it hard to enjoy the game without paying for it.

I can understand the uproar about Mercenaries. However, the issue isn't about "imbalance", it's about wanting something but not getting it, to be blunt. Mercenaries aren't some massively overpowering advantage that you must pay for. They are purely cosmetic. There are builds you want to run, and you require mercenaries to run them. That's not a required payment, that's purely optional. No different than "I want one character of each class" and "I want to keep all these items, but don't have the storage space".

And I have a character of each class, while you are limited to just 8 classes.

Of course, character slots are the only thing that I've purchased, outside of the 4 campaigns, because I haven't needed anything else.

So really, it comes down to you wanting to run specific team setups, not you needing or requiring them for anything.

Then there is the whole question about "What is core to a game?" What should we expect to come with the campaigns? There is a pretty large thread over on GW2 that debates it, so I won't go into it much.

To me the MH offer the same type of playabilty that skill balances do but to a much larger degree. You know the period of time after a skill balance where you mess with all the skills and test them and work out your team set-ups. I can't remeber exactly the number but I think the options go from 800k to 1000k or something......It's actually quite a large amount amount of "content" if you will.

For some of us it's not really about advantages, money, vanity...etc...It's more about the principle of it.

enter_the_zone · Mar 29, 2011, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Then there is the whole question about "What is core to a game?" What should we expect to come with the campaigns? There is a pretty large thread over on GW2 that debates it, so I won't go into it much.

To me the MH offer the same type of playabilty that skill balances do but to a much larger degree. You know the period of time after a skill balance where you mess with all the skills and test them and work out your team set-ups. I can't remeber exactly the number but I think the options go from 800k to 1000k or something......It's actually quite a large amount amount of "content" if you will.

For some of us it's not really about advantages, money, vanity...etc...It's more about the principle of it.

Well, that explains the price point then..., but seriously, it's optional "content" which isn't required to succeed at the game, in either NM or HM, isn't needed to get GWAMM or anything required for 50/50 when it comes to the HOM, and is in no way mandatory, and the benefit it affords is more perceived than actual since 999.9k of those additional available builds will suck donkeyballs.

So really, the principle of the thing can go screw itself because it's really just a reason for the QQing bitches to QQ... yet again. But then again, welcome to the GW community, the only online gaming community where you're actually better off taking NPC's rather than people because most of the people couldn't wipe their arses without assistance... and playing with them will make you want to kill yourself.

Sytherek · Mar 29, 2011, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

I agree with that totally, the complainers need a reality check. I say that as someone who has bought all the costumes, but probably won't be buying the MH. Why? Because the tiny benefit of MH doesn't appeal to me, I'd rather have another costume and pay for something that I actually like wearing on my character.

I, on the other hand, have no interest in the costumes, but I did buy the Mercenary Heroes. What ANet is giving us is a lot of different choices, which is a GOOD THING. People with different needs, interests, and free cash can enhance their game however they want.

Adding 7-hero parties did more to make the game easier than did MHs.

As for the BMP, I got it for free by doing whatever it was that ANet asked us to do at the time. Then they were NICE ENOUGH to make it available for nominal cost to anyone who came along later.

ANet is doing a fine job, I appreciate their work.

Saint Scarlet · Mar 29, 2011, 04:26 PM // 16:26

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Originally Posted by Verene

Um...yes. Opinions can very well be wrong. If you say "It's my opinion that the sky is really orange during the day", then you're contradicting known fact and your opinion is wrong. Racist, homophobic, sexist, etc. opinions are wrong. If you say "I believe EOTN is really a campaign despite the fact that Anet, the ones that made it, say that it's an expansion", your opinion is wrong.
"It's just my opinion" is not an excuse to ignore actual facts.

If someone were to say specifically that "the sky was orange during the day" then i would agree with you, it is wrong. Whereas if they express their opinion about it, they are not saying for fact they are saying in their mind it is and usually follow up with the reason for their opinion. Just because you believe that truths and opinions are the same does not make it so. Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how absurd it is(or even derogatory), if you wish to live in a world where opinion is dictated then i feel sorry for you. I live in a country of free will where i am allowed to think what i please and say that(to a certain extent), so please do not try to tell me my opinion is wrong. But by all means prove any of my statements(not opinions) false if you wish.

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[I]...no. If you want to be technically accurate, we are not between campaigns. The fourth was canceled, they moved on to GW2, and they have never said that they may possibly make a new one in the future. Only if they actually said "We are making a new campaign for GW1", or maybe "We may make another campaign for GW1" could you make that claim.

And if they were going to make another campaign, they wouldn't 1) have pulled everyone to GW2 with the exception of the 7 member Live Team, and 2) wouldn't be doing GW: Beyond, because it could be taken care of in a new campaign

I never realised you worked for Arenanet and know their entire future plans for GW. Just because they have not said either way does not make your opinion of no information more valid than my own. It is entirely possible that after GW2 comes out they make a new campaign for GW, unlikely but still possible. Until the day they state for FACT that this will not happen who are we to know. We can only guess (therefore have an opinion about something).

Once again i asked for opinions on my opening question, not for you to decide only you are correct and everyone that has an opinion that differs from your own is wrong. Please either learn that we are all different and can think differently or at least not post your opinion as fact and everyone else that thinks differently is wrong.

enter_the_zone · Mar 29, 2011, 09:15 PM // 21:15

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Originally Posted by Sytherek

I, on the other hand, have no interest in the costumes, but I did buy the Mercenary Heroes. What ANet is giving us is a lot of different choices, which is a GOOD THING. People with different needs, interests, and free cash can enhance their game however they want.

Adding 7-hero parties did more to make the game easier than did MHs.

As for the BMP, I got it for free by doing whatever it was that ANet asked us to do at the time. Then they were NICE ENOUGH to make it available for nominal cost to anyone who came along later.

ANet is doing a fine job, I appreciate their work.

Yep, I agree totally.

Like I've said before, I get why people are worried about being able to buy an advantage in the store, and I get that Anet has taken a tiny step down that road and it does worry me.... but there really isn't much else to say until they go a step further.

Alpheus · Mar 30, 2011, 08:10 AM // 08:10

I honestly don't get how there seems to be so much of an uproar on this topic. I'm reminded of Beverly Hills Cop II "Cuff me? There are people out there with chainsaws, you're cuffing me!".

I mean, have these people even looked at other F2P(or dare I mention the subscription based with cash shops <_< >_>) MMOs to see what they are doing? Sure sure, a greater evil doesn't justify a lesser evil blah blah blah but that's not the case here.

Everything GW1 has done so far has been pretty wonderful and amazing in comparison to the typical greed and money grabbing of both the gaming industry in general and the MMO genre in specific.

I hate sounding like a fanboy but that's just how I see it. Imagine if Anet was the absolute worst 'nickle and dime'r out there right... man our beloved gaming would be in such great shape!

Let the good guys get some much needed(and appropriately used) money so long as they stay good.

byteme! · Mar 31, 2011, 01:55 AM // 01:55

So I've read the entire thread up to this point. Pretty much everything has been covered and the general consensus is that this debate is one sided and over. Making something out of nothing. Good game.

*lemming* · Mar 31, 2011, 02:18 AM // 02:18

You read what you want to read, I suppose.

byteme! · Mar 31, 2011, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by lemming

You read what you want to read, I suppose.

You're pretty clever. You figured that out on your own. Now to add to your comment. I did read what I wanted to read and I wanted to read the whole thread. So you get a cookie for being observant.

FoxBat · Mar 31, 2011, 02:43 AM // 02:43

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I did read what I wanted to read and I wanted to read the whole thread.

I guess that's no guarantee you comprehended or remembered it in its entirety.

byteme! · Mar 31, 2011, 02:49 AM // 02:49

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

I guess that's no guarantee you comprehended or remembered it in its entirety.

Oh, so suddenly it's now an attack on my ability to read and comprehend the english language simply because I was able to post a reply to conclude what the majority are saying within the past 4 pages?? GTFO. Do you want me to put it all in writing and to quote every post that's relative to the majority and post their names along side their post to prove my point? Seriously people. Talk about making something out of nothing. (as I previously stated in reference to the topic at hand) I applaud your attempts to discredit me though.

enter_the_zone · Mar 31, 2011, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

I guess that's no guarantee you comprehended or remembered it in its entirety.

Well, I can sum it up in less than 20 words :

User1 : QQ perceived advantage, QQ RTM

User2 : yeah that would be kinda shit, but it really hasn't happened yet.

And just rinse and repeat. This is a "discussion" that's going nowhere because, ultimately, we all agree buying advantage for money is bad, and none of us want ANet to go that route, we just disagree whether MH really provides any actual advantage.

Then there is all the, frankly, wrong-headed bullshit, about whether Anet is breaking some implied promise they made in a press release or something. Amazing, six years has gone past and Anet (allegedly) broke 1 promise.... how many has Blizzard or any other frakking game company you care to name broken in the same period? In case you were wondering, the answer is a shitload more...

FoxBat · Mar 31, 2011, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by enter_the_zone

And just rinse and repeat. This is a "discussion" that's going nowhere because, ultimately, we all agree buying advantage for money is bad, and none of us want ANet to go that route, we just disagree whether MH really provides any actual advantage.

That's more what I would call a summary, yes.

(Datura) · Mar 31, 2011, 06:18 AM // 06:18

until there is a 7 hero team build that you can only run if you have 1 or more merc heros then there is 0 advantage other than cosmetic.

and when i say 7 hero team build i mean one thats superior to all other 7h team builds out there.

so far, 2 rits, 3 necros, 2 mesmers etc seems to be the right ammount.
You need to pay for a great thing. Support the team you like(A net)

ogre_jd · Mar 31, 2011, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by (Datura)

until there is a 7 hero team build that you can only run if you have 1 or more merc heros then there is 0 advantage other than cosmetic.

and when i say 7 hero team build i mean one thats superior to all other 7h team builds out there.

Nah. Doesn't have to be superior - just up there in the top tier with Spirit-, Discord- and (though maybe it no longer should be considered among the best Hero team builds anymore?), Sabway. And only if the team would wipe on whatever content it was meant for if you did the same team using the regular Heroes (by using Secondary Professions to make up for the lake of Primaries)

cataphract · Mar 31, 2011, 09:00 AM // 09:00

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Originally Posted by Lasai

I feel that ANET has more than lived up to its original promise. I find it amazing that they maintain and provide update and content of the level they do with no subscription fees and no revenue stream save game purchases and voluntary purchases of optional, unnecessary addons.

My thoughts exactly.

enter_the_zone · Mar 31, 2011, 12:10 PM // 12:10

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Nah. Doesn't have to be superior - just up there in the top tier with Spirit-, Discord- and (though maybe it no longer should be considered among the best Hero team builds anymore?), Sabway. And only if the team would wipe on whatever content it was meant for if you did the same team using the regular Heroes (by using Secondary Professions to make up for the lake of Primaries)

Depends on where you're using them. I find Sabway is more resiliant in a party of 4 build (where you can only have 4, I mean) than discord, especially when I'm dropping spirits. I reckon it's down to the minion army, it's always smaller in discordway, which means sometimes one of the necs dies.